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generals, three star, four star, came in to see me, and i said no, no, i don't want to see them, no thank you.nise one day, my wife says, scotty, andrew wants to see you. she didn't say who it was. .. who it was, but something hit me. it was andrew harris, the boy who i had taught sunday school with three years earlier had driven down from west point, new york, with his dad to come and see me. and i don't know if i knew that day or in the days to come that the impact that i had made on
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madame secretary, welcome to book tv. weeks on the best-seller list which is every authors dream. congratulations. >> guest: it's so nice to do this with a good friend. >> host: you were just being sworn in when you learned your parents had been a born jewish and some of your members of your family had been killed and holocaust. it answered a lot of questions, you dealt with a. was a painful period.
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what made you go back to it? >> guest: well, because i didn't think i had all the answers and let me shiastan explain the context of how this happened. when i was the ambassador people started writing me letters and there were letters that would say something about the village that my parents were born in but everything was wrong and then there was a letter that had all the facts and somebody said they'd gone to fatah high school with my father which was impossible because he was born in 1949 but after he was in the secretary of state, he also got a letter from somebody at all the facts with the names etc.. i was in the white house council office and they asked me some of
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the normal questions like how i paid my taxes and things like that and at the end they said is their anything you want to ask you to tell us and we said there's a possibility that i am of jewish background. so what, the president is not anti-semitic. so only the holidays i talked to my daughter's and explained what the possibilities were. they were fascinated can already tell their parents were interested in and complicated. but michael dobbs wanted to do a profile with me but you're not allowed to talk to the press by the time that your name and the time you are confirmed so they give the names of various people in europe that he could talk to me and on the day that i was confirmed he came into my office and started presenting me with documents that were not very
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efficient and they explained what somebody had been on them where they died. it's one thing to find out you're jewish. i was appalled, horrified, and the only way that i can describe its now hard to believe i was the first woman secretary of state and there were questions as to whether a woman could be secretary of state comes to describing to represent my country the first time a woman ever had been and given the very heavy package and as i ran so the only thing i could do at the time was ask my brother and sister to go to the czech republic to begin to try to put the story together, and we did, but i felt there was more to find out, and i wanted to kind of expand not only to find out
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about the jewish part of it, but to really look at my parents' personal story, which is the core of this book. i talk about it in three layers. my father was a diplomat and we will talk about the various things that he did, and he was very young when all this happened, so i wanted to buy about them and then the second layer was to put it into the context of the most amazing period in whirled history come in 1937 to 1948 how did the second world war start, what were the negotiations like, what were the things the were going on and the third layer is the most complicated because it is about the difficulty of making decisions, personal as well as professional, how people behave when they are put in very tough positions, how much any human being is good and helpfully and
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how much a little bit of a collaborator or trader, said that this kind of the way that i spoke in the book. >> host: this fee much waste that goes throughout the book i found really fascinating was individual choices that people made and which raises individuals make for countries and how it influences them. it's been a great theme throughout. you were born in 1937. your parents went back to prague a couple of years later when everything was on raveling and the nazis were coming in and your parents escaped with you to a england. tell us about your mother's letter and what you learned about that. >> guest: my father already in the diplomatic service his father had been to be the attache. my mother wanted me to be born
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in prague where her mother was and so then we went back to belgrade and then my father was recalled in 1938 and he was in czechoslovakia when the nazis marched in on march 15th, 1939. and my mother -- i found had a yellow pad where she was describing my father's blight sometime she wanted to tell people who he was so she wrote something. the whole film was surprised because my mother never wrote anything that we could tell the and she had her own english style so it was interesting to find. >> guest: tell us what she said about the escape. >> guest: my father went to see if he could get a passport to head out and they had generally been hiding kind of not going anywhere.
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they sent me to be with my grandmother outside of prague and tried to figure out that my father had kind of gone around and they had managed actually to get out and then they got my grandmother to bring me and to prod and everybody had a suitcase and went on the train to get out and she said that was the last time they ever saw any members of their family, so it was accidental in many ways. >> host: a terrible choice for your parents to make reduced in czechoslovakia for your family or to leave and save the daughter. did they ever talk about that choice? >> guest: never and that is a part of the difficulty. what i think in an awful lot of
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this book is the speculation and that is that nobody imagined that things would be as terrible as they were and all these things would also the other part was my mother is 29 and my father is 30, and what i believed from knowing them and knowing especially my father, my father was from a great generation and it had begun in 1918 and with a space country my father was very much a supporter of that democracy and a young diplomat and they were going to set up a government-in-exile in london and find out how to get the country back, so it was kind of not just to save me but a patriotic move i think to be
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with those that want to take their country backed. i do think, and again, speculation that nobody imagined that everybody would be dead or that they would never see them again that they wouldn't have a chance to come back. >> host: you're father was in charge of the bbc that goes back to czechoslovakia. >> guest: first they set up a government-in-exile in the end, and one of the things that they needed to do was to try to keep up the spirits of the people that stayed, the resistance fighters and to tell them that people in england cared about them, how important it was so the broadcasts were basically some of it was just flat out ruda telling them what was going on. the other was to keep them i think inspired about the fact that this would in the and that
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people were thinking of them coming and we had an opportunity who helped me a lot of this book was to look at some of the recordings that they had made in the transcript and basically exploiting the horrors of what was going on and that they were not forgotten. now we've called it public diplomacy >> host: one of the broadcasters or many of them at some point began to talk about the horrific treatment of the jews. your family never knew they had a family there. what would you like to ask about that now? >> guest: i would like to genuinely ask them how they felt, and i never had the opportunity. to just tell you my religious story was i was raised a catholic. i did find that my parents converted in 1941.
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they were in england already. then i became episcopalian when i got married in their jewish background, but i think that my parents would never discuss this. i knew in the holocaust i just didn't know that it involves my family at all. but i find very hard to deal with now is knowing how family minded especially my mother was. she doted on her three children and my children come her grandchildren, and how she felt that family was everything. so she must have suffered, they both must have suffered terribly through this, but i didn't know, and so part of my sense of the bravery and stamina that they were able to do this, but i can't imagine.
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>> host: wi-fi and with my own parents there are so many things i would like to ask them now that i'm old enough to understand its and we can't. let's talk about munich. you're father was sitting on a bus in england and he kicked somebody by mistake, and he said he didn't apologize. he said that's from munich. what's the background? >> guest: well, munich's kind of the moment in history where there was a sense of complete vitriol. what happened was shut slovakia was mentioned earlier the country created. it was a complicated country because it was in the ethnically homogeneous to get on the northern part there was a very large german population was known because of the salt of germany in some other places, so
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hitler once he had gotten elected he was determined in fact to bring together the german population that was the initial loss that and the dreams of larger so there was a lot of work being done in terms of and hitting among the germans. there was a terrible man called conrad who was basically a nazi that in fact educated that they haven't gotten enough minority. they hadn't gotten enough of the share of the jobs in the new country and some of the concerns were legitimate but not all of them in terms of the way that there had been integration of the german and czech populations and they were treated pretty well. but this minority was used as a way to drive a wedge and what happened was how very tired the
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british and french war from world war i and that they had lost a lot of people, blood and treasure and they did want to have a war over anything. and neville chamberlain was the prime minister of england, and he was bound and determined to make peace with hitler. that is where the term appeasement came from that he felt that there was a way to hitler had already begun. he had gone into the farmland and he'd been given that and he just kept saying i want more and more and basically what happened is the british and french fed the beast. a very important statement was that mevel chamberlain said this why should we care about people in a faraway place? so sad to say the british and the french and the united states
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is not interested which is a whole other story the basically saw the small country down the river, and the country was divided in half and it became independent and the part was run that made bohemia part of a colony of germany commesso minnick is kind of a testament to the trail to be sold by the policy and this is one of the lessons of the book is the role of the major power about the history of the small country, people in the faraway place. >> host: and we are dealing with that over and over and over again now. that is the message that needs to be looked at. your cousin came to live with you part time in england and her
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sister did not. tell us about the children's train that brought people from czechoslovakia from the country into the england and why she wasn't on it. >> guest: one thing that is important to talk about is what i knew and when coming and i didn't know the story until years later but this is what happened. and i met -- we talked a lot. she died last summer but we had a chance to talk of these issues to discuss the fact of was writing the book and what happened was that they turn into czechoslovakia and saw what was going on and he missed the -- he's still alive by the way. what he did was decided that he had to do something to get the jewish children out of there, so
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he organized a train in order to take these children out. what happened was -- and dasha told me the story last summer is that her parents had initially planned to send both of the children now and then it decided at the last minutes that she was too young to go. she was seven and dasha was 11, and that they thought she was too little and they should protect her by keeping her at home. dasha went on the train and she ended up with us in england. my father who was hurt overall guardian. my father also had an older brother in england and so dasha went on to english boarding school in various occasions. the thing that we found out later was that -- and this is one of the difficulties in the decision is because of the decision that was made, she was
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actually sent to a concentration camp and she died, she and my father's mother were on one of the last trains to go to the auschwitz and a week later, the war was over and there was this little girl that that her parents that get little to protect the right and when she allegedly talked to rothkopf flip-flopper that was not the story because later she told me that. the chapters that you have is the amazing detail of the transport that so many of your family members made in putting your grandparents.
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if your parents haven't made that decision to escape into the treen gland that could have been their feet and doors. have you dealt with that? >> guest: first of all let me say the first question you asked me was i dealt with it all the time. i hadn't fully dealt with it but one of the things that was really hard when this came out i wasn't lying and i told everything that i knew him and my father was blamed for making a decision that was the hardest thing to do and i think that for me the issue was you probably know i went back and officially
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ran by the press and i also went to this incredible place where the name of all of the czechoslovak jews are written around the world and just fascinating. taking to the place where my grandparents' names were coming in in many ways it's a sad. there's no way to describe how holistic this was but the truth that made the decision our names would have been on the wall and my brother and sister would not exist, and so on have to be incredibly grateful to my parents were having made that decision. but it's chilling to realize.
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a lot of people paid for word, and i had felt that it is my honor to pay back than to make a difference, so i do think it's important to write all this to explain it to the best of my capability. it's very hard to speculate about motivation that i have tried to be as honest as i possibly can to explain what i think happened and why it happened and how my parents might have made the decisions that they did. but the question when you go through and look, possibly with it has done.
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>> host: i was on one of those trips and when you cannot we could see from your face and your voice that it was an emotional experience, and it when i was there i looked for my family members and i had no background in czechoslovakia and no reason to find anyone. i'm surprised when you went through the years before with hillary clinton that some of the judicial posts or other people hadn't done research about you. >> guest: the thing that happened is i had gone to czechoslovakia and number of times in the 80's doing some things for the u.s. information agency. and the symmetry is the most incredible century of i had ever seen. what happened was it was under rick instructions and you couldn't go in. the first time i went in was in '96 and they said the names of
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everybody. >> host: let's talk about reinhart hydric, the so-called butcher of prague who was in charge of the campaign of terror against the jews. tell us a little bit about his assassination in the soldiers who secretly pressured into czechoslovakia. >> guest: i think the whole episode is something where the right decisions were made. he was one of the most evil people in the whole pantheon of evil people. he was a very high nazi official he was somebody that actually invented the concept of the holocaust are the final solution , and he was somebody
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that was either as a was to be transferred onto france and take an even larger role having already done what he thought he needed to do in czechoslovakia said he was a genuinely horrible barbarian. and a decision was made by the government in exile that it would be good if he could be assassinated. the slovaks that were there, there was a group of military people that were there and have also a state and the royal air force and they wanted to be helpful in the allied effort. the question as to how they fit in and would there be a role for czechoslovakia and i think this is the lesson in terms of whether the government in exile would be recognized at all because it meant repudiating and i get the british government didn't want to do that so share
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the president and people like my father were working for the recognition as were. the government decided that they would do everything they could to assassinate him and this is a real spy story in many ways that they were dropping into czechoslovakia and they managed the assassination. they were hidden by a wonderful woman and they managed it. it was the only assassination of the higher level not seen in the entire war. but what happened is one of the people that had kind of come to the issue to trade for money and then the biggest issue that makes this a horrible story and just around that is the 70th
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anniversary of the assassination. the germans decided that they would eliminate an entire town as retribution for this. they went in there and they just leveled the whole place and they rounded up a lot of expertise. but i didn't know until we started doing this research and looked at those horrible cards your maternal grandmother was one of the people would round up shortly after the assassination as retribution, so the question is always out there was the assassination worth it to be leveled and it's very much a question people ask just as munich is seen in the justification that is out there as a result of that the british
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did recognize the government in exile and they understood the value of the free czechoslovakia group but it's a terrible story. and the story of dollar and traders the difficulty is making the right choice. >> host: the woman that hit the soldiers i wonder if he would have had the courage to do this. when did you decide? >> guest: i often wonder from the first time in 1967 was my american name and yet i looked like everybody else and i was trying to figure out what would have been like if my parents never left the second time. and then whenever i went off but walk the streets and kind of blend in and wonder how i would
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be paved and i had the question how brilliant what he behaved, and i would have hoped that i would have but this was the lady that hit these pressures not only hit them for a long time and provided them but when they broke into her apartment she wouldn't be treat them even as others had and it's very dramatic. >> guest: the czech people sought revenge even those that hadn't supported the nazis. talk about the price and how you feel about that. >> guest: i find this a very difficult subject to talk about because the way the play began in the book is to say that all i59 and thought i knew everything about who i was and
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also the country really happened to know that myself and i also did not know about everything that happened in czechoslovakia. i grew up with the idea that the war period was a golden place with a perfect democracy and clearly it was complicated and there were questions about how minorities were treated and how the government worked. all i also never heard about how they treated the germans after the war command what i learned is that one could understand why there might be revenged and the germans have treated them very badly. i think the things people need to understand certainly they hated the jews they also considered the czechs and others as just one level higher than the jews in other words people
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that could be dispensed with in any shape or form so they were protestant and catholic that were in concentration camps, too. so the war and this and there are some very ugly things that happened by them to the germans. they threw them into the river and burn them and they basically pushed them out of the country ultimately. people talk about ethnic cleansing. when i was involved in the issue in the balkans and i spoke against ethnic cleansing people would come up to me and say isn't that exactly what your people did and what they do is push the german minority out without the individual skill and basically blaming all germans for this. what is interesting is one of the first acts they did when he
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became president and the new czechoslovakia to say how terrible it was, but it is a sad and tragic kind of way but it does happen. it's another one of those difficult choices. >> host: what lessons we take from that in terms of retribution of one country punishing another for a brutal act squawks should punishment the individual or collective? >> guest: i believe in individual which is one of the reasons when i went to the united nations one of the first votes that i took as the ambassador was to create the tribunal for the former yugoslavia because there had to be some kind of an international way of attributing individuals
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that is what the tribunal was about it's not to have collective built but to sign individual. that's an important aspect of it. >> host: how we think of that in the current history such as our killing bin laden? >> guest: i see that one can definitely flatly say that bin laden was responsible for killing 3,000 or so people in new york during 9/11. and then definitely was individually guilty and as far as i'm concerned, one of the most important things that has happened in the last couple of years is that he was killed. i think that what one has to be careful of is not to blame all afghans or saudis or muslims. i think in fact that is what troubles me is we have a tendency to lump people together
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and i do think that the issue of individual guilt is very important. >> host: another chapter but terrific detail is on the czech foreign minister who believed in democracy. they've taken over czechoslovakia again. democracy is a lost cause and you're father's boss is found dead in the courtyard. murder was the site? >> guest: i think murder but what's important is to put a little space in what happened immediately after the war because that is a part of the story. the government in exile goes home. because they were completely betrayed by the west, there is no other way to put it, munich was a trail, and a very strange thing with that happened was that the soviet union had said
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that they would have honored a non-aggression treaty czechoslovakia signed the treaty saying that if czechoslovakia was attacked the french would come in and defend them and the soviets said the french didn't honor their part of it. the soviets therefore said they didn't need to. so they never did. although they kept by their propaganda saying they would have. so the in many ways were quite popular and did participate in the red army was a very amazing army during world war ii, so czechoslovakia is, what, liberated by the red army, and in 1946 and the first elections took place the communists had won a plurality, not the majority of the plurality and they created a government was a coalition government, former
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social democrats and one of the people in the government the was non-party was the son of the founding president of czechoslovakia was kind of a demagogue in many different ways and somebody the was above the party politics, so this man that had it in the foreign minister during the government-in-exile becomes the official foreign minister in a coalition government it's very important to understand that it was the coalition and that he was the president as the democrat. the prime minister was a communist and then there was kind of a mixture of people and the government. he tried to operate within this kind of set up. my father at that stage was made ambassador to yugoslavia and you have a little girl and a costume with a flag at the airport. that's what i did for a living at the airport committee would come and visit us and i remember
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asking my father why did he always have his right arm in a sling and my father said because he won't shake hands with a communist so he was in a position of trying to maintain a sense of national identity for czechoslovakia for his father and for himself within this kind of coalition government to read was interesting is that stolen put his empire together to a variety of coups and undermining governments with it was in poland or hungary, romania, bulgaria. but the idea was that in czechoslovakia they thought they could actually win an election said the next one was 1948 but in 48 they thought that they would have a majority. the thing that happened was the checklist of what people began to see that the communist program was and they were less and less enchanted with what they were doing, and began to be
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clear that they might remove the reelection so there are theories of strange moves that the took to undermine the government and the democratic ministers hoping that they could live up to the democratic news and resign as the government and create a new one. none of that happened, and in the end as a result of misunderstanding, the ministers couldn't figure out the answer. there was in fact a communist coup by this man and yet masaryk was still there as the foreign minister. he tried to figured out how to save the country. in the end, what happened was that he lived in the foreign ministry, and the initially found his body in the courtyard and was declared a suicide and
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the communists said it was a suicide because he was so depressed by the fact that the west had let him down. the was the whole propaganda. there'd been many investigations since and it is my sense that he was thrown out of the window. >> host: you're father went back to prada for the funeral. was that a risky move for him at the time? >> guest: i think it is something that had to be done. first of all, it was pravachol -- protocol. i don't know. i don't think it probably was. i think it was to honor a man that he had worked for. my father had been asked, he had been in the investor in yugoslavia for three years which is kind of the standard turn to have the post. before the coup he had been asked to represent czechoslovakia on the new commission on in the in pakistan to deal of kashmir so what he
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goes in march to find out to honor masaryk he goes back to belgrade and tries to figure out what to do and he wasn't going to work cmunists. he never worked for communists and he'd worked for masaryk was a democrat and because of the coalition had a communist deputy but it was very much an extra my father semidey was a democrat in every single way. but what happened was best friends with the british and american ambassadors. and they advised him to take the job in order to get out. i was given some very interesting documents in the course of all of this in which it is very clear that my father was really reporting to the british government. and through all of this the british government described him as being very loyal and somebody
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that could be trusted, and what was interesting and lawyers doing research on my father's foreign ministry personal fire but i was given the secret police records about life of three and it said over and over again we suspect him and we know that he is pro-western and a democrat said they were watching him and found something leader and figured out he was never going back. >> host: and because he was helping the british, they helped him. a guest there was the thought that he would be in england and the united nations and the united states. i have no story about a skidding through barbed wire or anything. we can to the united states on
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passports and we arrived on november 11th. my father came a month later and once he had completed this work he defected and asked for the united states. >> host: this is amazing the how many years later he would be working on india and pakistan. wouldn't you love to discuss this? >> guest: you know what happened he wrote a book called the injured in kashmir. i helped him on that he started working on this in 1948 and it has not improved. >> host: one of the fascinating parts is your father's unfinished novel that you found in a box in the garage in georgetown. in it one of the characters is a bookstore owner. tell us about the bookstore
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owner did with the books in his display window in the shop. >> guest: what is interesting this is a novel but now that i get the story is pretty autobiographical of a diplomat going back to czechoslovakia to the war to look for his family and doesn't find anyone and the character and the book a bookstore owner who did in many ways portray with his own feelings were depending upon what he put into the window. but it's very clear that under communism it was very hard to explain what was going on and also just generally to understand what happened. in the book and also in the unlawful that my father wrote he talks about another person that he meets who asks a lot of questions coming and that person
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was deaf and mute, and i took it as a sign there was something the you would never know that he never would be able to hear or talk about what really happened. >> host: one of the things i was interested in is you said that you're father was able to appreciate the german speed felch effort atone for their awful treatment of the jews but that your mother wasn't. tell us about that. >> guest: well, my mother, it's probably not fair to do such generalizations, but i always thought that might offer was to completely rational kind of unemotial person. the novel made me realize that that wasn't true. none of the children knew she
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was in that kind of person. he was a professor. he had written a lot of historical work and essays and articles and the novel wasn't exactly his genre but it's from that that he did have an emotional side. my mother was we always felt pretty emotional, and also didn't have any contradictions. she didn't like germany and made a very clear that she would never forgive the germans. as i write in the look she was glad to hear that my married name was not going to be all right -- albright. >> host: as a diplomat yourself, did you have to change your feelings about germans? >> guest: i'm going to give you a diplomatic answer on this. it's interesting. first of all, i never learned to speak german.
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i learned many different languages and trying to check polish and trying to learn german i never went to school to what happened what happened i knew my parents wanted me on the 1948 christmas of 47, 48. i never wanted to learn german, and i have to say because i also a student of history and watched what was happening in germany i found very interesting the way the germans were beginning to deal with their history. and then a lot of things in life are very personal, and i have to say that one of the finest people that i met as a diplomat was the german foreign ministry who became a very close friend of mine and very much a part of
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what we were trying to do in kosovo and here is this man this younger than i am but he had been kind of a rebel and i wanted to know a little bit of his history and he had been a cab driver and various things and he shows up in my office and a three piece suit talking about nato and he's very surprised about that so i asked him how he had become he was and he said anybody of our age couldn't respect authority given what we knew that the people had done. we were on the phone every day during the war and kosovo with the hat elegance and the british and they would suggest we have a pause to honor eastern. he's the one that said how could we possibly honor one religion while we are killing people of another religion and talked about what was happening in kosovo he said that's what the
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nazis did. so he is an example of the new german who understood the history. which makes it a very easy to be friends with the germans. and i have -- i feel that way. i think that just the way that one has to find individual guilt you can't find that the whole nation is evil and what has happened is that the germans have in many ways of with the horrors of what they have done and apologized in many different ways, and i think interestingly enough it was on march 15th, last year, which was the anniversary of the invasion it was the day that i got a call from the german ambassador in washington, d.c. saying that i had gotten the highest recognition of the government. >> host: isn't that interesting. one of the interesting things about your father's not always that he talked about the and despicable.
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do you think he ever talked about it to you because it was? >> guest: this is the part that's hard to speculate about. this is my sense, and i say in the book to anybody that asks me i don't know the answers to things, so i have to speculate about it. i think that part of the novel where this man goes back and find out that everybody is dead -- >> host: tell us all about that. >> guest: what he does is buries his head in the pillow basically and kind of makes it clear that he never can think about this or talk about it. it's very emotional >> host: the main character is a young diplomat like himself who came back and went to look for his mother and he couldn't find his mother and he went to look for his aunt and uncle that he could find no one. to me that is just --
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>> guest: like my father when i said he was the one that was kind of always very realistic and rational but clearly had gone through a terrible thing and wondering one of the things you asked me earlier why did they leave, what could they have done, what really happened? i don't think that they knew all of the things that happened. so, anyway, i think that they could not day escapes to twice and came to the united states. there was just my brother and sister rhea and me and my parents. we arrived in denver and focused just on the family. my own sense is that they must have decided that it was an unspeakable.
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nothing could be changed and it makes the children really of everything. my parents were dead by the time i found all of this out. i wish i could have talked with him about. one of the things we said earlier, people thought that i have lied. i wish i had. i wish people would put themselves in my position to the there were upstanding citizens in their little town where my parents had met in high school. i knew all the stories. i knew they had celebrated christmas and easter.
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knowing what kind of people they were and how they relate to their children the values my values are my parents' values obviously, so i think they must have decided to what end to have a new life in america and the interesting thing is when the story first cannot it was kind of a big deal. i was the secretary of state but since then so many people have let me know that the of the same story. i'm always so sorry that i don't know more about the gray area of my parents' lives. i know what they told me, but i don't know of the decisions that they made. and i wonder what do my kids know about the decisions.
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others the no and find out. it's a very emotional for you. >> guest: it was and i wanted to see it as honestly as i possibly could. when i finished interviewing you for the biography we had a long series of interviews that were among the best i ever had in my life it was just terrific interviews, but i asked you at the end i said what are you going to do now. >> guest: i've done an awful lot because 11 years ago, 12 years ago i wanted to do different things. everybody that knows me knows i completed my more these jobs are over but i decided i wanted to look at different things but started a business and i believed in the public-private
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partnership there is a lot the private sector can do. secateurs clinton has asked me to learn something about having different relationships muslim majority community i teach at georgetown and i still teaching. i did it for ten years. >> host: and one teacher of the year every year. >> guest: well, for four times. i'm also the chairman of the board of the national democratic institute of national affairs involved in democracy works all around the world. we now have five books and i wanted to be involved. we were listening this morning to tv and somebody said reverse aging.
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i would love to have reverse aging but i admit i just celebrated my 75th anniversary and i am very, very busy. i do an awful lot of traveling, and all is well. >> host: will follow your rules at the age of 75, student, mother, daughter, diplomat and a grandmother. what is the most rewarding role. >> guest: they all go together my oldest grandson was very much a rewarding thing my other grandchildren around and i do think it took me awhile to even want to be called a grandmother but i like cattle a lot. i like the fact that my children are being raised by my daughters
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and their husbands who are all the republics service oriented and understand responsibility and the importance of giving back but all of the rules go together. and i think of myself very much as a mother and grandmother and sister and friend is a businesswoman now, diplomat raised catholic can episcopalian , democrat bigot de end small de. >> host: to your grandchildren come to you now and ask about current affairs? what should we be doing in syria and how do you feel about the situation? >> guest: i think what is interesting is my oldest grandson has to graduated from the academy where he was the president student body.
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i'd taken him on a trip to the arctic with me so we talk a lot about environment and various aspects. my next age grandson who is 16 talked about vietnam. he's been writing a paper about vietnam we talked about that you by the way they all went with me to the white house, and it was amazing. they said to the president you are going to kick butt. migrant children ask me a lot having talked so much of syria but we talk about american history about the issues of the day. they understand not a free buddy's grandmother is on television, and one of the funniest thing is my youngest granddaughter when she turned 70 years ago said to her mother so
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what's the big deal about grand maudine secretary of state. >> host: that's wonderful. they are lucky kids and we are lucky to have talked with you today. thank you very much. >> guest: thank you very much. ..
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